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- From: anthonyh@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Anthony Hutchinson [ICTC])
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
- Date: 25 Mar 1996 09:54:00 -0500
- Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group, Warren, NJ, USA
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- In <314D4DFB.2524@aber.ac.uk> "Mr. Pink" <smh2@aber.ac.uk> writes:
-
- >Where did other games classics such as Lemmings, Populous etc Originate?
-
- What doest the amiga have today? Wing Commander? Crusader? Mechwarrior 2?
- How about Civ2? (yeah i know its comming... when?)
-
- >The amiga wasn't it? Well **** me sideways, so it was... and the PC conversions just
- >couldnt do the gfx and sfx justice even then. (We won't mention the megadrive versions
- >- wot no mouse????!!! ;)
-
- You are talking ancient history. Yeah the amiga was a good machine. I even have
- an a1200 around here somewhere. But it just isn't supported, plain and simple.
- A good computer without software is... well... an expensive doorstop.
-
- >On a more serious level, lets go back a few years (bizarre Waynes world swirly effect
- >thing....)
-
- >Its 1987, in the UK.
- >Me: Excuse me, how much is a PC these days?
- >PC Salesman: 386pc's are going for about 8-900 each, 4mb ram, 300 ish HD at best.
- >Me: But the A500, .5 mb ram, no HD is about 500. Hmmm, PC seems much better option.
- >Hold on tho, does the PC include a full WIMP OS?
- >PCS: Ahh, you mean Win3.0. Yes, thats 70 pounds please.
- >Me: Oh. Doesnt Workbench come free with the Amiga?
- >PCS: Erm... yes.
- >Me: Well, does Win3.0 multitask?
- >PCS: Erm, no.
- >Me: Does workbench?
- >PCS: Erm, yes.
- >Me: What about sound. Does my 386 include a SoundCard / Chip?
- >PCS: No, Sorry.
- >Me: The Amigas custom architecture does, doesn't it?
- >PCS: Yes.
- >(well, you get the idea....)
-
- >Now, in that little 'conversation', I mentioned that dirty word to PC owners -
- >multitasking. Could I just take this opportunity to congratulate them on the arrival of
- >Win 95. (Ignoring OS2 - it just doesnt seem to have been given the support it
- >deserved)......
-
- Again ancient history....
-
- >Windows 95 multitasks. Sort of. It timeslices in much the same way as the Amiga has for
- >the past 8 years or so.
-
- This is true. touche'
-
- >Win 95 system requirements: at least a 486sx 33 (?) (DX2 66+ recommended), with 4mb ram
- >(8mb+ recommended), and 50mbHD space (?).
- >Amiga workbench requirements: An amiga.
-
- This is also true. I loved the days when I was formating a 3.5, decompressing a crack
- and playing a game at the same time. <sigh> But the amiga was way to attatched to the
- 3.5 drive and so was the software developers.
-
- >Oh the subject of Win 95, a couple of points. Plug and Play. HAven't amigas had
- >basically the same thing for years?
-
- My machine detected everything quite well. You have to be careful of what you buy.
- The pc market is open to everyone, and every joe bob can develop a shitty ide interface.
- Go SCSI, its always plug and play!
-
- >Take the example:
- >I put a second HD in my machine. Plug in, switch on. Machine sits there. For a whole 5
- >seconds. Boots, and I go to partition the new drive, at which point it tells me 'drives
- >have been added / removed from the system' etc. Ok, so it wasnt sure if something had
- >been added or removed.
-
- Betcha your hd was a scsi? no?
-
- >When it comes to serious software, the PC leaves the Amiga crying in a corner. The
- >Amiga doesnt know what to do. Reason? The PC is a business / home machine, that Amiga
- >just a home machine. Amiga owning families are not prepared to fork out several hundred
- >pounds for a single database. For several hundred pounds Amiga owners get no end of
- >packages. Ok, they arent as good, but they do their job. Very few Amiga titles cost
- >over 100 pounds. Very few PC titles cost less than 100 pounds! (Not talking games here)
-
- What is your point?
-
- >The Amiga CD ROM scene is still quite new. Their is no argument to be made here - we
- >will just have to see if it gets the support it deserves / needs. All I'll say on that
- >little matter is that on the off chance that there is some rep of an Amiga softy house
- >out there - remember, its not just CD32 owners that can play games on CD now...
-
- >There. On that note, I'll finish, before I stray from the point even more. But Kjell
- >Gudim is right. PC technology moves on sooooo fast. My M8s P60 is out of date now too -
- >before the warranty has even expired! But my A4000/030 is still keeping up, despite
- >being almost 3 years old.
-
- The P60 is out of date? Depends on what you want to do with it. Is your A4k keeping up or
- is it just that there hasn't been any new software to challenge it. People always want
- the latest thing and if amigas were still popular the A4k would have been outdated years
- ago! The motorola line of cpu`s would be up to 050's and 060's. But motorola saved its
- ass by getting into other markets, while the PC architecture went public and the
- proprietary machines (mac and amiga) started to lose the market.
-
- >Pink
- >Mr Pink is:
- >smh2@aber.ac.uk
-
- >http://www.dcs.aber.ac.uk/~smh2/index.html (URL homepage)
-
- >S. Hall, Fayrefield House, Sheepwash, Beaworthy, Devon EX21 5NE, UK
- >------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- In conclusion: I loved the amiga, it was a great machine. It multitasked well, used the
- motorola chip well and had some decent software. And I would love to see it challenge
- the pc market, but unless Escom has a golden goose up its sleeve I just don't see
- that happening. (in the USA)
-
- BTW, europeans are not dumb for buying amigas. There is a better amiga software
- market in europe.
-
- Anthony
-
-